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Scammer Alert?!

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There is so much BS in the internet marketing industry. Uneducated nonsense believing idiots I can sometimes just about live with, it’s those who support the fraudsters that really get me wound up.

As internet marketers, every day we will have reasons to get angry and annoyed. It’s how we deal with those issues that is important. I use to get stressed out when someone ripped me off or when a friend turns to the dark side and scams people. Instead of getting annoyed, all I do now is remove them and move on.

Here are three things that are ruining the internet marketing industry:

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Things That Are Wrong In The Internet Marketing Industry

Exhibit A: Fiverr Selling My Product!

Fiverr has had a lot of great press over the last year or so and for good reason, it’s a cool service. Recently I was on their site and out of curiosity, I searched “Popup Domination” – one of my software products. There are 3 people selling it, my software!? How could this be, we don’t sell resell rights.

It’s pretty clear what’s happening, they either bought the product or downloaded it illegally and started selling it via Fiverr without my consent. The thing is, Fiverr know this is going on and don’t actively stop this happening. It’s not only my product, there are thousands of different software downloads available and many people have reported it.

Over 10,000 people have attempted to use Popup Domination Illegally.

We track everyone who tries to install Popup Domination without a correct customer key. This means if you downloaded my product without paying for it and then tried to install it you won’t be able to.

One interesting thing for me is the number of Big Name Gurus who have actually bought Popup Domination – these people because of their position could have perhaps asked me to ‘comp’ them a copy – but they didn’t. They just went ahead and bought the product because they saw the value in Popup Domination. I firmly believe that Success is a case of ‘modelling’ – if you do what other successful people do then you will be successful. No one ever attains long term success as a Scammer.

What I would like to see changed: Any listing with a product name in, that the poster couldn’t possibly have access to and does not have resell rights to should be removed and the poster should be banned from posting in future.

Exhibit B: Warrior Forum Supporting Rip Off’s Of My Product

I enjoy looking at Warrior Forum, reading up about products and launches. Recently I noticed that someone has launched a Popup WordPress plugin of their own. This doesn’t concern me, in fact I welcome competition because it educates the market on our products and ultimately if yours is the best (like Popup Domination is) then you will sell even more. However this “competitor” I saw on Warrior Forum isn’t someone who has come up with something new, no! In fact it is just a carbon copy of Popup Domination, with very similar designs (they even use our graphics). It would be the exact same thing if it wasn’t for them lacking in design skills which is the whole reason why the product works.

I’m not to fussed about them creating the product, they will never get much traction. The problem I have is with the Warriorforum themselves, supporting them. This forum is supposed to support Internet Marketers, not support the things that are slowing bring the industry down. My disappointment with Warriorforum doesn’t stop there, sometimes when products are launched, if people really slate a new product because it’s terrible, they will remove the forum post. The only thing I can say is WTF!

The lady in the above picture is one of these people I’m talking about (if that is really her, which I highly doubt). She is even using some of our graphics that we use for Popup Domination. This hasn’t just happened to me, it’s happened to whole load of us software developers.

To those who are buying these similar products, which look just like mine or some of my friends such as OptimizePress. Remember this: You are buying a product that isn’t as good.

I spotted one product that basically looked like it copied a whole load of features from Optimizepress. The main difference, they couldn’t deliver sales and squeeze page designs that would convert like Optimizepress does. You will spend 10x what you paid in time trying to get it to work as well as our products and still fail.

What I would like to see changed: Stricter policy on who can sell products on Warriorforum.

Exhibit C: Merchants Supporting Scammers

I often see people buy a whole load of products and then sell them themselves with no rights. This is illegal on so many levels. The problem I have isn’t with the people who do it, I know they will never amount to anything. The problem I have is when merchants and shopping carts support them and allow them to collect money. This morning I spoke to a friend who showed me a website with around 50 products for sale, they have a whole pack of products for sales. The problem is, they don’t own the rights to selling these products. They even say on the sales page, buy these separately from the people who actually own them will cost over $10,000! However, the merchant, which is E-Junkie, clearly doesn’t check sale pages because if they did, they would of never allowed this to happen.

What makes this page worse is that it says this is the third sale they have had!

What I would like to see changed: Merchants to check sales pages before they go live. This I would like to see be done by all merchants, the unethical and illegal things people are doing is terrible.

Exhibit D: My Own Merchant Supporting Theft!

I’m not by any means the biggest Clickbank vendor so I wouldn’t expect any additional support from them but I am in their premier program which I think is like top 200 vendors? Anyway, so someone just brought it to my attention that a Spanish sales page was selling Popup Domination. It probably hasn’t resulted in a huge volumn of sales, definitely a few though. When I click the buy button, guess what I found, they were using Clickbank.

How could they not spot this. I must be one of the main software companies using Clickbank and they just accept a sales page offering the same product. How ridiculous! My own merchant not even supporting me. I’m 100% confident when I point this out to them, they will remove it. However, they look at every sales page before approval, has this become all about money? Is it really true that they will accept everything?


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  • Diggy

    Hey Michael,
    Wow that’s incredible. Piracy has always been around but I strongly agree that respectable sites like Warriorforum and fiverr should ban anyone selling illegal things. Instead they facillitate the piracy!

    Just a few days ago someone cloned Glen Allsopp’s Viperbar plugin, called it Viperbar plus and listed it in WordPress and charged money for it! He even used Glen’s logo on the bar.

    It’s crazy, luckily he got WordPress to remove the plugin and to delete this person’s blog.

    With enough support we can make it really difficult for the host sites and they will be forced to take action to stop this illegal selling of products.


  • Gideon Shalwick

    This kind of thing presents a slap in the face on multiple levels. And you are right Michael, it does not help the reputation of internet marketing at all.

    I’m not sure whether there is an easy solution to this though. When I launched my product end of last year, within a few days it started get pirated all over the place. Initially I took action to try and stop it, but it was futile.

    I then started thinking about it, and even though these guys were ripping me off, they still gave me “free” publicity… which is not a totally bad thing.

    But I fully get what you’re saying, and it will be good to see those changes made by the organizations you mentioned.

    Keep up the good work Michael – honesty still is, and always will be the best policy :)

    Gideon Shalwick

  • Joey Kissimmee

    You know I really hate when stuff like this happens. I’ve had one of my products on fiverr too. I contacted fiverr and the dude and they took it down ASAP.

    You ever thought of adding a license or something to protect them?

    Oh and I’m totally surprised at Brian there. I expected better from him. I mean really, this is suppose to be a top guy right?

    And the Warrior forum in my opinion is just a place for a bunch of whiners and complainers. No matter what the product is they cry about it.

    At the end of the day, your products are bad @$$ bro. No one will top them nor replace them. Count on my support 110% brotha.

    • Brian


      This was an honest mistake. Please reference my reply below.


  • Clément

    I am totally shocked by the Popup Domination not only being shared online but being SOLD for $5. That’s sad.

    It’s important that people do these posts, I take back what I said earlier – it does matter to make others aware.

  • John Paul

    Man I like that you called that Brian out haha

    Amazing how low people will go to save a couple bucks.

    This just enforces IM to be a ME ME ME industry when what we need is more collaboration and support across the board.

    This sucks that it happened.. but the fact that you have a product people want to copy is a compliment in a weird way.

    and like Gideon said.. it is a lil publicity for you.

    • Brian

      Honest mistake man. I wish Michael would have contacted me first though.

  • Dennis Edell@ Direct Sales Marketing

    Yea see, and I bought that plugin you showed above, does POD do all that that one supposedly does?

    • Michael Dunlop

      The only think that is different really is that they have also added scroll up popups which they copied from:

      The thing is, they clearly don’t understand the software or they wouldn’t of added that.

      We did a study, 500 subscribers, two options, popups or slide ups.

      Popup got 100% of the subscribers. The slide up got none. If they knew anything about email marketing they wouldn’t of done this.


      • Dennis Edell

        According to the listing, there was like 7 different type of forms, not just two though.

  • Gabriel

    I know how you must feel, Michael. It happened to me with a product of mine. They purchased it, then started to upload it on file sharing websites and give the URL for free. I had to complain to each of the websites owner to delete the files. As Gideon said, this “free” publicity is not a totally bad thing. This means that you have a product that’s worth the money.

    In a way, I kinda feel sorry for those who are doing this: they are sneak thieves that most likely will never have a real business online and their karma is affected too.

    • Michael Dunlop

      Love that you mentioned Karma. I’m a common sense type of thinker but live by the principles of karma.

      Technology is only getting better, things will stop.


  • Fazal Mayar

    I am happy to see some people have been exposed. How about the ” One Click Button’ that will make you rich? It was to be expected, with the growth of the internet, such BS was just going to grow .

    • Gabriel

      Yes, this BS was going to grow. But seriously, you have to be too credulous to really believe in such things. If it would work, everyone would be rich. It might work for the very first people that purchased that ‘One Click Button’.

  • Kristi Hines

    You have legal rights against these people though, correct – if they’re selling a rip-off product under your product’s name or reselling your product without your consent?

    I would think this is a “great” way for legit products to get horrible feedback as I’m sure these “resellers” aren’t offering support or any form of help with the product like you would. :(

  • AJ

    I understand your pain and I guess thats the gift and the curse of the internet. Musicians and film companies have been battling this for years. I hope you sort it out.

    Also be careful with some of your language as I know you are upset but saying things like: “They are 90% of the time created by people in third world country’s, by people who don’t speak good English”….is borderline.

    I dont see what that has to do with anything. People who dont speak good english cant do stuff that english speaking people can???

    • Michael Dunlop


      I don’t think you followed me exactly. Here’s the problem you sometimes get working with third world country’s.

      – Bad English, which means the support is often terrible.
      – Typically bad code.
      – Often because of where they are located, they take your money and run because they know we can’t do anything about this.

      This isn’t a race thing, this is just how it is in the industry. There is all this hype about outsourcing but when people get the results, they tend to find themselves back in England or the USA looking for a freelancer to fix what should of been right the first time.

      I do get carried away sometimes probably but if you are talking about language, that isn’t what I expected you to point out 😉


      • Clement

        I think that outsourcing overseas is a great place to start but I’ve experienced the best throughput with using western developers for the points that Michael has highlighted.

        When you start making enough money to afford labor in your own language and culture, communication becomes 10x easier.

  • acg

    hi michael,

    I’m planning to put up my internet product as well soon and I totally agree to your post. Hopefully soon it will stop. By the way, does your pop domination plugin and optimize press product has a developer license available? so can I install them to all of my customer’s blog since I setup and develop blogs as well ?


    • Michael Dunlop


      Popup Domination does, it’s on sale once you buy the standard verion. OP doesn’t.

      You can only use PD on 20 customers sites per license.


      • acg

        It could have been great if it will be unlimited for the developer license though :-) but anyway looks like i will buying a whole lot of license once launching is successful :-)

        However still a great product…!!!

        Thanks for your response Michael

  • Ricardo Nuñez

    Every time you look for a product in Google, it suggest the torrentz and rapidshare searches. Which is really bad alone, but what these people do openly is worst. It shows that people have lost their shame and that’s not good and it hurt this industry reputation (which is not the best already).

  • Matt Wolfe

    These is crazy. I use Fiverr constantly for things like articles and backlinks. I had no idea this type of thing was going on. It’s a shame that these people are out there pulling this kind of crap.

    Warrior Forum has been tainted for some time now (in my opinion). I’ve seen so many people selling and promoting things on there that were just rip offs or pirated products. Once, we found someone on the WF selling EVP for $37 to anyone who wanted to send money through Paypal.

    It’s a damn shame. Good for you on actually calling people out! If more people actually called out these losers, maybe this crap wouldn’t be so rampant.

  • Espree

    Thanks for being so honest in this post. Your transparency is refreshing and courageous. I’ve been pissed this week myself at the way the Warrior Forum handles things.

  • Alex Johnson

    Hey Michael, you are correct, all this situations are not good for this industry. I found some guys selling what apparently seems to be Pop Up Domination but in Spanish for the latin american market

    Are you aware of this? here is the website:

    I hope you authorized them to sell the plugin!

    • Clement

      Wow, Clickbank really screwed up here.

    • Brian

      And they’re using OptimizePress, lol…which I bet they found a torrent for. Good article Mike.

    • John Laguna

      WOW, looks like they noticed Michael was angry and now they stopped selling the “Latin Pop Up Domination”.

      :) Good work!

      • Michael Dunlop

        Actually I reported them to their host and they shut them down 😉

  • Syed Balkhi

    This happens all the time, and it pisses me off. When I used to sell commercial themes, this stealing was what pissed me off the most. Hell even when I released FREE themes, people would offer downloads from their sites (removing my designer links and inserting their own)….

    There are F**kin A**holes all over the internet.

    All it does is leave a bad taste in my mouth for the people who do it.

  • Brian

    Hey Michael. Google Alerts just notified me of your blog post. I can only preface this with saying I’m sorry. It seems like a convenient excuse but the truth of the matter is that my programmer “purchased” PopUp Domination from somebody on Fiverr and set it up on my server. I didn’t know about this (and I’m hoping that he didn’t know it was an illegal version either). If it helps, I haven’t yet implemented it on any of my pages. If it also helps, I just deleted the plugin from my site. Here is a screen shot of the before and after:

    I really am sorry for this. I hope you understand that I’m in the info business just like you and that I wouldn’t knowingly participate in piracy.

    If I can do anything else to rectify the situation, just let me know.

    Thanks and I’m sorry again.


  • Kwame

    One way of tracking your products online is by setting alerts for them on sites like So you can have emails sent to you daily or weekly when anybody mentions Popup Domination on their sites, forums, twitter, etc. It will let you “spy” on how people are using your software.

    I will be thinking of other ways internet marketers can protect/ investigate their product thefts and I’ll write a blog post on it soon on my blog. In the mean time, try using

  • Leon Aldrich

    Odds are high these thieves are using PayPal; I’m pretty sure PayPal will ban their accounts. Then how will they get paid?

  • Glen Kirkham

    It’s a shame this stuff is happening but it is totally possible to have a secure piece of software by simply using the online access code system to register the product… If they don’t activate it on your server, the software doesn’t run….

    Pi***s me off that people can’t be arsed creating their own products and just stealing other peoples, I’ve had it done to me and it’s heartbreaking knowing someone else is (illegally) cashing in on all your hard work…

    Keep up the good work MD


  • Suresh Khanal@Bivori

    Ridiculous but piracy is most in software. You won’t like to waste your time so said “Instead of getting annoyed, all I do now is remove them and move on.” but what about legal action? If you keep on moving, these things will never stop, rather pollute the whole market. Don’t you feel responsibility to clean it up a little bit? Won’t you file complains and alert those Big Merchants?

  • Kerwin

    Hi Michael,

    Welcome to the world sadly. I’ve had a site rip off my concept as well and then my data source had to lock them out. So I feel your pain. People seem to think that just ripping off the product will make them rich, but of course they are mistaken when they don’t make the money they thought they would.

    Sadly, people are like that, trying to make a quick buck as opposed to try partnering with you to make it better for all.

    Well Michael, what it shows you is that you need to get a Spanish version out there as well as other languages. When is the Spanish version being released? Or at least a translation module?

    Plus if people are willing to copy your products that it means its darn good; which of course it is.

    Hey, just think how many bootleg copies of Windows are out there?

    You are right though that the merchants should do a better job, but I think what happens is that when these people set up the sites they change them after they receive approval.

    Keep creating great products and program as many safeguards as you can to protect your intellect, but don’t get disillusioned as I know you won’t.

  • George Tee

    Scammers are totally a pain in the ass on internet marketing. Website like fiverr should not tolerate this illegal action. It’s their credibility at stake. I know also there’s a scamming affiliate going on in clickbank, when the company knew about this, they make the necessary revision on their guidelines and policy regarding vendor. But then again, no matter how you try to keep your work clean, there are some people who don’t so let’s just be careful.

  • Dean Saliba

    I’m afraid it happens. I think the only thing you can do is make it more difficult when you do future releases.

  • Nile

    I covered the Fiverr thing on my WordPress site WPAddict on themes.

    Here is the problem… what is your licensing for your product? Is it GPL or split GPL? Is it commercial, non-attributive, no redistribution?

    Your license NEEDS to be clearly stated on your site. When you have software out there, this is HUGE. It has to be listed, not just in the licensing of the copy purchased, but on your website as easy access.

    If you have a product that is GPL, it states even in the licensing that your product can be copied, alter, redistributed and even sold.

    I do not support code thieving, but if you opened your licensing to GPL, pretty much it is legal. I can fork any GPL plugin and combine, alter, or improve it according to the laws and licensing under GPL.

    In WordPress, all code that works with it, is technically, according to the big dogs, and even the Open Source Foundation suppose to be GPL. Some of the people use split GPL where the theme itself is GPL, but not the original PSD graphics. Some base it on strictly their coding. My concern is merely what your licensing is, which should be even stated in the article.

    Your privacy and other policy links on the PD site go to page not found. You need a TOS and FAQ up there as well for your product. I also suggest taking the product code back to the web developer and correcting its w3 incompatibilities, especially for those who want their site to be web standard and be able to use PD.

    Anyone, hope some type of resolution comes up.